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assignee='https://github.com/serhiy-storchaka'closed_at=<Date2016-05-05.13:22:36.740>created_at=<Date2016-04-21.00:20:15.665>labels= ['interpreter-core', 'type-crash']
title='segfault due to null pointer in tuple'updated_at=<Date2017-04-24.18:46:48.431>user='https://bugs.python.org/random832'
I was writing something that iterates over all objects in gc.get_objects(). I don't know precisely where the offending tuple is coming from, but nearby objects in gc.get_objects() appear to be related to frozen_importlib.
A tuple exists somewhere with a null pointer in it. Attempting to iterate over it or access its item results in a segmentation fault.
Serhiy, I'll thinking the whole optimization ought to be reverted as being too tricky and error-prone for the small benefit. A less aggressive approach would be to have the tuple save a valid object (such as None) instead of NULL. What do you think?
Ah, yes, 5dbf3d932a59 partially fixed this optimization. Saving None in a tuple (as I believe done in itertools/zip/enumerate optimization) should fix this issue. I agree that the code is too tricky (as well as the code in itertools/zip/enumerate). It would be better to make tuple creation faster instead of adding special caches in separate functions (see also bpo-23507). But for now this optimization makes attribute access in named tuples 30% faster, and this is good argument for keeping it.
Serhiy: "Ah, yes, 5dbf3d932a59 partially fixed this optimization."
Since we already talking about hacks, another hack is to hide this private tuple from the GC using _PyObject_GC_UNTRACK(): see attached property_descr_get_gc_untrack.patch.
Note: I dislike my own patch :-D
Serhiy: "661cdbd617b8 can cause problems with recursion and with cached getters. I suggest to revert it."
Even if I don't understand the issue, I concur that the micro-optimization must be reverted. A micro-optimization must not introduce any behaviour change nor segfault :-)
Raymond Hettinger: "Serhiy, I'll thinking the whole optimization ought to be reverted as being too tricky and error-prone for the small benefit. A less aggressive approach would be to have the tuple save a valid object (such as None) instead of NULL. What do you think?"
PyEval_EvalCodeEx() accepts a C array of PyObject* for function arguments, it's used by fast_function() in Pythn/ceval.c. Maybe a new C function can be designed to call a function: it would uses PyEval_EvalCodeEx() to call functions implemented in Python, or create the tuple for functions implemented in C.
It looks like the issue bpo-23910 which introduced the optimization was created for functions implemented in C. So I don't know it's acceptable. But it would be safer and more generic, no?
Maybe a new C function can be designed to call a function: it would uses PyEval_EvalCodeEx() to call functions implemented in Python, or create the tuple for functions implemented in C.
I would expect C code to be more optimized that Python functions, but for the specific case of function calls: Python are more optimized with the fast-path fast_function()!
I recall vaguely that Larry Hasting shared me his idea of passing the Python stack to C functions to avoid the creation of a tuple.
Maybe we can add a new API for C functions accepted a C array of PyObject*, a number of positional arguments and a number of (key, value) pairs for keyword arguments. Something similar to PyEval_EvalCodeEx() but for C functions. It means that we should add a new flavor of PyArg_ParseTuple/PyArg_ParseTupleAndKeywords to accepts this format.
Larry's idea was to use the argument clinic to handle that for us.
bpo-23910 -- added original optimization (661cdbd617b8). bpo-24276 -- it was significant rewritten (5dbf3d932a59).
My suggestion in msg263886 to revert the optimization was related to the original code. Now, after reminding the background, I think it is worth to keep the optimization and try to fix the code.
Making the cached tuple to save None adds additional complexity and overhead (about 5%). Here is a patch that uses different trick. The size of saved tuple is set to 0.
I suggest to remove the micro-optimization from Python 3.5 for safety.
I'm ok to experiment a new safer implementation on Python 3.6 ;-) We have more time to fix the code in Python 3.6 if new issues are found. Setting the tuple size to zero looks simple and safe, but the overall hack deserves a comment to explain:
why you use a cached tuple
why the reference count can be different than 2: recursive calls
May be using _PyObject_GC_UNTRACK() is more correct than setting the size to 0 or setting the item to None. But property_descr_get_gc_untrack.patch makes the code a little slower. Here is optimized version of Victor's patch.
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random832 commentedon Apr 21, 2016
I was writing something that iterates over all objects in gc.get_objects(). I don't know precisely where the offending tuple is coming from, but nearby objects in gc.get_objects() appear to be related to frozen_importlib.
A tuple exists somewhere with a null pointer in it. Attempting to iterate over it or access its item results in a segmentation fault.
I confirmed this on both Linux and OSX.
Python 3.6.0a0 (default:778ccbe3cf74, Apr 20 2016, 20:17:38)
zhangyangyu commentedon Apr 21, 2016
hg bisect tells me changeset 95830:661cdbd617b8 introduces this behaviour.
rhettinger commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Also, see https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/5dbf3d932a59
Serhiy, I'll thinking the whole optimization ought to be reverted as being too tricky and error-prone for the small benefit. A less aggressive approach would be to have the tuple save a valid object (such as None) instead of NULL. What do you think?
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 21, 2016
661cdbd617b8 can cause problems with recursion and with cached getters. I suggest to revert it.
rhettinger commentedon Apr 21, 2016
I concur. Please do the honors and revert it from 3.5 and 3.6.
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Ah, yes, 5dbf3d932a59 partially fixed this optimization. Saving None in a tuple (as I believe done in itertools/zip/enumerate optimization) should fix this issue. I agree that the code is too tricky (as well as the code in itertools/zip/enumerate). It would be better to make tuple creation faster instead of adding special caches in separate functions (see also bpo-23507). But for now this optimization makes attribute access in named tuples 30% faster, and this is good argument for keeping it.
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Sorry, I'm late with my comments. All my posts are written without seeing your previous message.
vstinner commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Serhiy: "Ah, yes, 5dbf3d932a59 partially fixed this optimization."
Since we already talking about hacks, another hack is to hide this private tuple from the GC using _PyObject_GC_UNTRACK(): see attached property_descr_get_gc_untrack.patch.
Note: I dislike my own patch :-D
Serhiy: "661cdbd617b8 can cause problems with recursion and with cached getters. I suggest to revert it."
Even if I don't understand the issue, I concur that the micro-optimization must be reverted. A micro-optimization must not introduce any behaviour change nor segfault :-)
Raymond Hettinger: "Serhiy, I'll thinking the whole optimization ought to be reverted as being too tricky and error-prone for the small benefit. A less aggressive approach would be to have the tuple save a valid object (such as None) instead of NULL. What do you think?"
PyEval_EvalCodeEx() accepts a C array of PyObject* for function arguments, it's used by fast_function() in Pythn/ceval.c. Maybe a new C function can be designed to call a function: it would uses PyEval_EvalCodeEx() to call functions implemented in Python, or create the tuple for functions implemented in C.
It looks like the issue bpo-23910 which introduced the optimization was created for functions implemented in C. So I don't know it's acceptable. But it would be safer and more generic, no?
vstinner commentedon Apr 21, 2016
I would expect C code to be more optimized that Python functions, but for the specific case of function calls: Python are more optimized with the fast-path fast_function()!
I recall vaguely that Larry Hasting shared me his idea of passing the Python stack to C functions to avoid the creation of a tuple.
Maybe we can add a new API for C functions accepted a C array of PyObject*, a number of positional arguments and a number of (key, value) pairs for keyword arguments. Something similar to PyEval_EvalCodeEx() but for C functions. It means that we should add a new flavor of PyArg_ParseTuple/PyArg_ParseTupleAndKeywords to accepts this format.
Larry's idea was to use the argument clinic to handle that for us.
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 21, 2016
References:
bpo-23910 -- added original optimization (661cdbd617b8).
bpo-24276 -- it was significant rewritten (5dbf3d932a59).
My suggestion in msg263886 to revert the optimization was related to the original code. Now, after reminding the background, I think it is worth to keep the optimization and try to fix the code.
Making the cached tuple to save None adds additional complexity and overhead (about 5%). Here is a patch that uses different trick. The size of saved tuple is set to 0.
vstinner commentedon Apr 21, 2016
I suggest to remove the micro-optimization from Python 3.5 for safety.
I'm ok to experiment a new safer implementation on Python 3.6 ;-) We have more time to fix the code in Python 3.6 if new issues are found. Setting the tuple size to zero looks simple and safe, but the overall hack deserves a comment to explain:
vstinner commentedon Apr 21, 2016
I created the issue bpo-26814: "Add a new _PyObject_CallStack() function which avoids the creation of a tuple or dict for arguments".
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Then we should remove the promise from What's New In Python 3.5. That will cause a regression in namedtuple attributes access about 30%.
vstinner commentedon Apr 21, 2016
Oh, I see "The property() getter calls are up to 25% faster.
(Contributed by Joe Jevnik in bpo-23910.)" in
https://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.5.html#optimizations
Hum... This is embarrassing :-/ Ok, let's keep it, but we must fix it ;-)
serhiy-storchaka commentedon Apr 23, 2016
May be using _PyObject_GC_UNTRACK() is more correct than setting the size to 0 or setting the item to None. But property_descr_get_gc_untrack.patch makes the code a little slower. Here is optimized version of Victor's patch.
python-dev commentedon May 4, 2016
New changeset a98ef122d73d by Serhiy Storchaka in branch '3.5':
Issue bpo-26811: gc.get_objects() no longer contains a broken tuple with NULL
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/a98ef122d73d
New changeset 3fe1c7ad3b58 by Serhiy Storchaka in branch 'default':
Issue bpo-26811: gc.get_objects() no longer contains a broken tuple with NULL
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/3fe1c7ad3b58